Luke Ford on Ed Powers: "I Lied, I Lied, I Lied. Attorney Paul Cambria Charges Ford with Having "A Reckless Disregard for Any Kind of Truth"
Ironically, on the 25th anniversary of Richard Nixon leaving office for having lied to the American people, Luke Ford admitted essentially the same thing on the Ed Powers Show this past Saturday night. Ford, using the satire defense, debated criminal attorney Paul Cambria [Cambria was on the phone] on a number of issues related to items Ford has posted on his website in recent weeks about Vivid Video. In an incredibly great four hours of radio, Ford, who admitted to talking to the FBI on a number of occasions, also admitted that he fudged royally on items posted on his site, the most egregious being that Vivid contract girls have AIDS.
At one point, Ford simple stated, "I lied, I lied, I lied,' the context of which will be included in this afternoon's updated posting.
Powers made the introductions: "This evening and morning two men will have a debate: a debate which involves Freedom of Speech or not: libelous slander or not. The two men are Luke Ford of lukeford.com who's been known to print on his website mostly gossip about individuals in the adult video biz and the adult industry as a group. Tonight we'll debate the issue that Mr. Ford has made outrageous and libelous statements concerning this man and his client, Mr. Paul Cambria, according to Mr. Cambria from Lipsitz, Green, Fahringer, Roll, Salisbury and Cambria who represents Vivid Video. You might have seem him recently as he represented Larry Flynt in Cincinnati."
Powers went on to read this statement which formed the core-issue of the evening's debate: "Some people call the Internet the information highway; some call it the mis-information highway. Similar to the newspaper world, where we have responsible journalism, yellow journalism, gonzo journalism, and entertainment-type news and papers full of stories, rumors and exposes, the Internet has its own. Although, just about anybody can have a website, or newsgroup and attract many to it causing almost instant fame of some level for the site, this differs from the newspaper world. Also the Internet sites, not all, are involved in the verification of sources of information that they get. Many on the Internet do reveal sources and have sources of information. And there are those that don't. Specifically, tonight, we have an issue tonight with Luke Ford. Tonight Mr. Paul Cambria and Luke Ford will debate this issue. Are we speaking here of Freedom of Speech or libelous slander?
Powers went on to read the letter which Cambria's law firm sent Ford June 23, 1999. Powers said it was posted on some websites, "including lukeford.com and geneross.com". [Gene interjects: "it was never posted on my site."]
"The letter was regarding Vivid Video, Incorporated, and it was directed to Mr. Ford," said Powers. The Cambria letter went on to say that Ford was continuing to publish "certain false, misleading and manifestly libelous statements" about Cambria's client. One of the statements was: that Vivid girls do the Bunny Ranch, that Vivid owner Steve Hirsch was to have told Ford that all his contract girls, including Janine would be available at the Ranch this summer; [Ford quotes Hirsch as allegedly saying that he saw what Sin City execs were getting and wanted a "piece of the pie" for himself.]
"The foregoing statements are false and were clearly known by you [Ford] to be false when made," Cambria writes. "The reported conversation between you and Mr. Hirsch never took place...the statements are libelous per se because they refer to Mr. Hirsch contemplating possible Mann Act violations."
Cambria's letter when on to talk about the "Justice Department Cracks Down" story that Ford posted. "You should hear what goes on his [Ford's] site, like none of this information being verified or true," Powers said. Powers went on to read the story about FBI agents supposedly swarming the SF Valley and arresting leading members of the porn industry for anti-trust violations that included price-fixing. Ford's story alludes to an arraignment and Hirsch wearing a "tasteful, purple chiffon gown which accentuated all his curves." Ford's story also went on to quote Charlie Geerts.
"The above statements are completely false and were made by you with knowledge of their falsity," Cambria's letter went on to say. "The stories are complete and utter fabrication on your part. The statements are libelous....needless to say, Mr. Hirsch was not arrested or arraigned by the FBI or any other authority."
Cambria refers to another Ford statement made June 23: that KCBS-TV reported that the reasons AVN, VCA and Vivid mandate the use of condoms is that all of their contract girls have AIDS. "The foregoing statement is outrageous and completely false," said Cambria. "You are damaging the reputation of Vivid actors and are inflicting emotional distress on the actors and their families," Cambria's letter said. "The foregoing statements were clearly published with malice a with the apparent attempt of harming Steve Hirsch, Vivid Video, and its employees and agents and subject you to legal action for compensatory and punitive damages."
Powers said Cambria's letter states that Ford puts things on his site "that are not true". Cambria's letter demanded retractions "without delay" meaning that they go on Ford's site the same day or no later than 21 days after receiving the letter. "Your retraction must be complete, unequivocal, and published in a manner that is substantially as conspicuous as the original posting." Demands were made that Ford cease and desist from further inflammatory statements. The letter went on to say that Vivid would reserve their rights to seek recovery for damages notwithstanding publication of a retraction.
"The Internet can both be a friend and a foe," Powers observed. "It can be a vehicle of opinion, freedom of speech or libel and slander. What is it in Luke Ford's case? You be the judge."
Cambria: "Luke readily admitted the statements I outlined in my letter [Ford and Cambria debated on another station earlier in the evening], that these were false statements and he had no basis at all to make them. I asked him if he could appreciate the fact that people who log on to his site may very well believe these statements to be true. He understands that. His problem is that he doesn't appreciate the fact that, maybe Luke, you just don't understand the First Amendment. I know you were born in Australia, apparently, maybe you never studied the Constitution. The Constitution, the First Amendment doesn't permit people to commit acts of libel. From time to time over the last few weeks, Luke has attempted to defend himself by saying , oh it was just satire. Luke at what Larry Flynt has done. Haven't you ever read Larry's case in the Supreme Court. Well, it's not satire. There was nothing that preceded any of these statements that would indicate that it's satire. Maybe the closest one that comes to that is when he tries to make some kind of claim that Hirsch is in a chiffon gown or something. You might have some argument there regarding satire. But to accuse these women and men of having a life-ending disease is unforgivable as far as I'm concerned. The First Amendment is a very powerful tool, but like any powerful tool, it has to be respected. Luke has to understand that the law of our country has always said you have free speech but you may, in fact, may utter some speech for which you pay the penalty. It seems to me that he has to understand that you can't go around accusing people of a life-ending disease and make no pretense about the fact that you have no basis to say it, and it's something that some people out there could believe, and get away with it. It just doesn't work that way."
Ford: "I think that Paul Cambria has strong points to make, morally and legally. I really don't disagree with any of them. Of course that's not the only perspective one can take. There are other sides to the issue. Whether or not one labels something as satire, you have to read each statement and each story in its own context. We can receive letters, and some letters will be bills and other letters will be love letters. Each letter will interpret and explain itself when you open it up. And so where you have stories that leading pornographers are dancing around in women's clothing, when you talk about leading pornographers being high on many different drugs and saying outrageous and wacky things, then you're obviously dealing in matters of satire."
Cambria: "You may think so, but let me read your statement. You say that KCBS-TV reports that the reason Vivid [et al] mandates the use of condoms is that all their contract girls have AIDS. Where's the satire there? I know you're trying to soothe yourself in believing that we should all see this as one grand bit of satire. The problem is, it's not postured that way. You're not anywhere near what Larry Flynt did what the Supreme Court found to be acceptable when he did a parody of Falwell. He clearly at the bottom of that said this is an ad parody, not to be taken seriously. You do that nowhere. Where do you in anyway say that it was a parody when you accuse these girls of having AIDS.
Ford: "I do not say explicitly that it was a parody."
Cambria: "Or implicitly."
Ford: "Yes, implicitly, in the language in which I wrote. That statement came in a whole series of outrageous..."
Cambria: "Give us what the language was with regards to the AIDS which you claim allows you have to have a haven in protected satire. What language was it that I missed?"
Ford: "Well, it was in a whole series of wild and wacky stories. I wasn't just an individual statement."
Cambria: "Anything that's even nearby that statement.."
Ford: "Yes, right before that was a wild and wacky supposed interview, one that I completely and totally made up whereby Wicked Pictures owner Steve Orenstein announced on live television that he had signed Kid Vegas to make.."
Cambria: "That's fine, Luke, but what does it have to do with the Vivid girls?"
Ford: "That was run right in that same context. That was run directly before the outrageous statement.."
Cambria: "I understand that. But the way your site is set up, its set up with news items, each having different subjects. So you finished your subject with regard to Orenstein, then you began Vivid. There is nothing to indicate that anybody should think there is a connection between the two. And that's the problem. That's the part that you don't understand. There's not a soul out there... that says you shouldn't be able to have you right to have your website, publish all you want. But you must be held to the same laws that they're held to, that the Inquirer, the Star is held to, other publications that say it's satire and all the rest of it, and that is, that you must not libel people. And that's the problem you have. You don't understand it. And you can' just say I had an outrageous story about Steve Orenstein which had no connection whatsoever with Vivid Video, and the girls in Vivid Video, and for some way or another, the reader is supposed to think that the two are connected. And that since he said something ridiculous about Orenstein, now that we've segued into Vivid Video, that must be ridiculous, too. You know that there are a number of things in your site that purport to be factual things. You had an entry the other day about Charlie Sheen and an alleged dalliance with hookers and so on. I don't know if it's true or not, but it had a greater ring of truth. What if the Vivid article had succeeded that? Would the people still know that it was a satire?"
Ford: "That would have been more troubling."
Cambria: "There's nothing that connects the Orenstein article to the Vivid article."
Ford: "They ran right together."
Cambria: "But what was it in the Orenstein article that said and now the next article, about a totally different subject, is also a satire?"
Ford: "They were about live Los Angeles television stations covering events in the adult industry."
Cambria: "I don't think that's such a big deal. A TV station could certainly report that condoms are being used because people have AIDS. There's some reasonable person out there who may believe that. And that's the problem. Isn't that your whole shtick here, that, hey, listen, I don't have anything, so I can say anything that I want. Who's going to sue me and what are they going to get?"
Ford: "I have claimed that shtick. I have claimed many shticks. I don't think that's a moral defense. I don't think that's a legal defense."
Cambria: "I think that's what you're banking on, that no one's going to call your bluff cause they're going to figure, dismiss this guy. He doesn't have anything. Why waste our money getting a judgment over somebody who has a computer and a bunch of books he hasn't sold."
Powers asked Ford, if, on an earlier show, he didn't say he had some kind of vendetta against the adult industry. "I have a lot of feelings about the adult industry, some of them positive and many of them negative," Ford replied. "The whole range. I despise the adult industry. I'm fascinated by the adult industry. I like pornography. I hate pornography. I buy pornography. I'm disgusted by pornography. I have a whole range of feelings."
Cambria: "And, apparently also allergic to the truth when you're writing things about innocent people on your website. If it wasn't for the adult business, where would you be? We wouldn't even be having this conversation. You're a parasite on the adult industry."
Ford: "As screenwriter Martin Brimmer writes to me...'Luke, without First Amendment attorneys like Paul Cambria, you'd be wandering the streets homeless, mumbling.."
Cambria: "Believe me, it's not me that would have you wandering the streets, it's the very industry that you claim, falsely in my opinion, that you detest. I think you revel in this particular area, and it's turned out to be the only thing that's gotten you any kind of attention."
Powers asked Ford why he targets such innocent people as Orenstein and Hirsch. "Why do you think it's funny to make funny of those people in particular and not clarify it's satire?" Powers asked. "You do nothing to clarify that? You get really heavily on Steve Hirsch per se. Why him?"
Ford: "Because he's the biggest pornographer. He's the head of Vivid. He's numero uno. His company sold over !4 million worth of product last year. Therefore, he's more likely a target to come up in my mind. I'll get a giggle...and I'll think it's funny."
Cambria: "Maybe, the problem is, he's what you aren't. He's someone who's a successful businessman who's found a way of running a business correctly and do well without having to lie about people and make things up. Maybe that's the real problem, here.
Ford: "That maybe part of it. I'm a flawed human being and my motives are mixed and dirty."
Cambria: "So that's a defense? You can say I'm a poor guy, I'm troubled, I'm torn. I'm this, I'm that, therefore let me break the law. Let me have a get out of jail free card, so to speak, with regard to committing defamation, because I'm such a poor, mixed up little boy. Don't you think that people are more sophisticated than that. There's a method to this craziness of yours and it's obvious. There's nothing torn there. There's nothing mixed up there. This is a calculated kind of situation..you're trying to claim some kind of fame for yourself...if you come in as some kind of faux critic of the adult industry...there's probably a great niche for you to be just a gossip columnist about the adult industry. But to come out and lie about it? The laws don't work that way."
Ford: "I'm not so much defending myself as explaining myself. I believe that I should get what I deserve."
Cambria: "Are you sure you want to use those words? If you got what you deserved, believe me, you wouldn't be able to buy anything for a few years."
Ford said he he hasn't made any money on his book, A History of X, as yet. "I'm due for 15% of net cash sales," Ford said. "I'm not even sure what that means."
"That's probably your down payment on a lawyer," Powers quipped.
"I'm just thrilled to publish my first book. It's a thrill to walk into a bookstore and see my name on the cover, at age 33...it's a serious work of journalism. There are several mistakes in it. I've misspelled a couple of names, and Gene Ross, my main competition..."
Powers: "What do you mean main competition?"
Ford: "He does a responsible job of.."
Cambria: "Does Gene lie, by the way, in your opinion, Luke? Does Gene make up facts, or is this your way of trying to eclipse Gene or outshine him. In other words, Gene does it correctly, he has a semblance of checking sources and the rest of it, well, it's not going to work for me, cause he's already done that. So why don't I just make everything up and I'll get a little bit of attention out there."
Ford: "That's right. That's how it works out. If Gene Ross has covered a story, why should I cover it? So, I'll just make one up."
Cambria: "Indeed I've seen it on your site where someone will ask you how can you make these statements about Hirsch, and your quote was, 'I just made that up...slow news day.' "
Ford: "That's exactly right."
Cambria: "And you really feel that people out there should tolerate that, even though that's against the laws of this country?"
Ford: "I'm not sure that it's against the law, I'm not a legal expert."
Cambria: "Do you really think that there would be a law a law in this country that would let someone, maliciously, wantonly, knowingly, misstate something against another person? Can't you appreciate the fallout that the Vivid girls could have by you making a statement that they had AIDS? In their personal relationships or their employment opportunities or maybe to the Vivid company that people wouldn't want to work for them...can't you appreciate that people would be damaged as a result of those irresponsible statement?"
Ford said he could. Cambria asked if there should be a remedy for that. "I have not met one person who took the statement seriously, as truth." Ford said. "I guess that demonstrates the people who you hang around with," Cambria retorted. "How many people do you think hit on your site?" Ford said about 20,000 "unique" visitors a day. When asked, Ford said he's not talked to all of them, maybe, not even ten. "So we've already agreed that a reasonable person could believe these things," Cambria said.
Cambria challenged Ford on an earlier statement where Ford was supposed to have said he could see how someone could reasonably believe that maybe Ford was telling the truth when he said they're wearing condoms because adult actresses have AIDS." Ford said he didn't remember saying that. "Right at the beginning of the show you said that," Cambria noted.
"I said they were serious objections to what I wrote," Ford said, "that are strong, morally and legally."
"You say there are 20,000 hits. You haven't even talked to ten," Cambria said. "They're saying it probably makes sense to me. They [Vivid girls] are probably prostitutes at the Bunny Ranch on the weekend. Or, they're in the adult business, they've all got AIDS. You don't think there's people out there who would believe that?"
"When a donkey looks into a book, you can't expect an angel to look out," Ford replies. "When some idiot's going to read my site..."
Cambria: "Do you have a no idiot?..That's the problem with newspapers, with TV, with all kinds of media, on any given day, any kind and type of variety of person is going to read that. When you write, and the laws that govern people who write, they govern all your audience however you find it."
Powers observed that the people Ford talks about are the most important people that count. "Who cares what other people think?"
Ford says he happens to have very good relationships with several of the people he wrote about. When asked, Ford said he didn't ask then whether they were hurt or offended by what he wrote. "It's never come up," he said. Ford then Cambria for not giving him a break. "I get one sentence, and Paul jumps on me." Cambria retorted by saying that Luke didn't like being in a tight spot.
Ford: "I happened to talk to several Vivid girls, and VCA girls and AVN employees in the weeks and months since I published that outrageous statement. I never asked them once specifically how they felt about that statement. But none of them has mentioned it to me. No one has mentioned that to me as being taken seriously. I have good relationships with several Vivid girls and VCA contract girls and AVN employees. I've had good relationships with them since them. None of them would even know about this statement except for we're debating it right now."
Cambria: "You can bet they know about it, and you can bet they're not happy about it. Can you think of a single soul out there who would be happy or content with you accusing them of having a life-ending disease? Name one person."
Ford: "It's not my duty to make people happy."
Ford said he didn't have a current HIV test.
Powers: "So I can assume you have HIV, then, because you don't have a current test. I could assume that? So you could print this out right now on your website that the assumption is that you have HIV because you don't have a current test? You might be HIV."
Ford: "Gene Ross accused me of that a few months ago and sent a email to that effect, challenging me, 'Luke you're having sex with some of the girls in the industry, which is true, I'm concerned that you might have HIV.' I happily printed his email on my website. It's a ludicrous accusation and I don't take it seriously."
[Gene interjects: "No one was accusing Ford of HIV. I took the position that if Ford's going to throw the first stone at Marc Wallice, he himself should be without sin. Ford neither produced an HIV test himself nor adequately explained why his driver's license, a legal document, had a factual error on it, when Wallice was being held accountable for a factual error on his AIDS document that might have been the result of a similar clerical error."]
Powers: "When you have sex with someone and don't have a test, you're putting them in jeopardy. "My sex life is extremely minimal," Ford said. "I've had sex with three people over the last 2 1/2 years. I've never hand homosexual.." Cambria interrupted him. "Counting yourself or other people."
"Most of the sex I've had over the last 2 1/2 years has been with myself," Ford said.
Powers: "You don't have a test, and you're accusing people who are tested and using condoms, that they have a disease, when you are not being responsible enough to skirt the industry the way you do and not have a test. I find that offensive. People in glass houses don't throw stones. You are in a glass house. It would be suggested that if you are an author and capable of good journalism to give up this site the way you're doing it and change your ways and show some responsibility. Are you a jokester? A stand-up comedian? See if Leno will hire you. What you think is humor might not be funny to the people you're doing it to....you put yourself in a vicarious position to be a threat and be dangerous to people that would have a normal life without it."
Ford wondered if any damage had been done and voiced that he did not believe so. "Generally the targets of satire do not like being the targets of satire," Ford said. "Jerry Falwell did not like it when Larry Flynt ran a cartoon of Jerry supposedly having sex with his mother in an out house."
Cambria: "At least Larry ran with the cartoon a disclaimer that it was just a parody and not meant to be taken seriously. It's an absolute acceptable practice to say that it is a parody, to say it's fiction. Indeed it was something very key in that trial. In the Falwell trial the jurors found that no one could believe that Falwell could have had sex with his mother. One of the factors they relied upon was the fact that it said it clearly at the bottom of the ad, and indeed, in the table of contents of the issue, it referred to it as a fictional parody. You don't do any of that. You don't take the time to do that. You're not bother with the formalities of the law....you want to gossip, fine, but don't lie. State so [that it is a parody]. Make it blatantly obvious that there's no room to debate whether it's parody or not. That's the only thing I care about and Hirsch cares about. Hirsch could care less if you say he's in high heels or a feather boa. He could care less about that, but you can't do something that damages the people who work for him, his company or accuse him of crimes when there's no basis to say it. That's what the laws are all about."
Powers: "Shouldn't you put Ha! Ha! Ha! with an exclamation mark showing that's what you think is funny?"
Ford agreed and said those were strong points.
Cambria brought up the fact that Ford on his site said that Cambria and his partner Harold Fahringer were "shills" for the mob?"
Cambria: "Me, I've been around a long time. I walk into court rooms every day and we battle it out. You have no basis to make a statement like that, that Fahringer or I have represented people over the years who have been accused f some type of organized crime. So what. That's what lawyers do. Any lawyer that's worth anything has probably represented someone who's been accused of either engaging in organized crime or some other heinous type of crime. You demonstrate your irresponsibility's that we're shills for the mob. Was there anything around that statement that indicated that that was satire?"
Ford: "No. It wasn't satire. Fahringer is well known for defending Mafia associates in the sex trade."
Cambria: "Because he's defended someone who's been accused of being involved in organized crime, does that make him a shill for the mob? You understand the language. A shill means that he's some part of it as opposed to simply representing someone. Does that mean that the doctor for John Gotti is in some way a shill for the mob? It's a matter of responsibility. I'm sure it rolled off Fahringer's back. I haven't asked him about it. It's the kind of thing that's an example of irresponsibility....you identified him [Fahringer] as consigliere for the mob. Consigliere means you're part of the mob, not just you're a lawyer for someone who's charged. I don't remember the last German guy who's been admitted into the mob. That's exactly what Fahringer is."
Ford: "Fahringer has been advisor to leading Mafia associates in the sex trade for years."
Cambria: "Clearly that's your opinion but to say that that makes him a shill for them? No, that makes him a lawyer for people who have been accused of engaging that conduct. I've represented many people who have been accused of that sort of thing. Does that make me a shill for them? No. It doesn't. Does that make me a consigliere? No, it doesn't. I know you appreciate the difference, but you don't care. That's the kind of recklessness that runs afoul of the law."
Ford: "When you make your living for years defending Mafia associates in the sex trade..."
Cambria: "Who are these Mafia associates in the sex trade? I've been doing this an awful long time. I can't remember one person who I had any proof was a Mafia associate in the sex."
Ford: "People like Richard Basciano [not mentioned in Ford's book] who succeeded Robert DiBernardo.."
Cambria: "What would be your basis to know that?"
Ford: "From talking to the FBI.."
Cambria: "The FBI confides in Luke Ford?"
Ford: "Yes, I do at times."
Cambria: "Oh, I see it's very interesting. It shows that things have gone down since J. Edgar cashed in. So that's what you're saying. You name Basciano, and you tell us your source is the FBI. Who else?"
Ford: "Numerous sources are documented are my website."
Cambria: "You don't have any names, do you? You say you have this unnamed FBI source, you have one person who you're claiming that there's an allegation was in some way involved. All of a sudden that becomes numerous people who are in the mob that are part of the adult industry. It's just one more example of your reckless disregard for any kind of truth."
Ford: "If you go to lukeford.com you'll find footnotes.."
Cambria: "You find one person who's accused of that."
Ford: "I'm afraid I can't replicate 5,000 pages of my website right off the top of my mind."
Cambria: "Just one other person, then.."
Ford: "Robert DiBernardo."
Cambria: "Robert DiBernardo's been dead for how long [1986}? When any of these people convicted of being members of organized crime?"
Ford: "Neither Basciano nor DiBernardo.."
Cambria: "So now we're having an allegation which you base on a faceless, nameless FBI source which you claim you have, and you take that and make that a total conclusion that this person is, what they do, what they are, and so on."
Ford: "There have been numerous sources documenting Richard Basciano and Robert DiBernardo's roles in organized crime..and the roles they've played in the pornography industry."
Cambria: "Have either one been charged or convicted of being what you said."
Ford: "Richard's not been criminally convicted, but we all know what he did to two people."
Cambria: "We do. We all know? I don't know."
Ford: "You wouldn't because you dedicate your life to keeping murderers alive."
Cambria: "You think so? I dedicate my life to representing individuals who need an attorney. That's what I do."
Ford: "You represent scumbags like Marilyn..."
Cambria: "I don't represent you, do I, so I don't think I'm in that category. I represent a lot of people who have varying interests who are charged with crimes. Anybody who's in criminal defense as I am is going to represent individuals who are charged with breaking the law. We don't deny that. There's nothing wrong with that."
Cambria said that neither he nor Vivid threatened Luke in any way. "The letter that you read is the letter I wrote to him," Cambria said. "I specifically outlined what he said; I specifically outlined what the problem was with it. I indicated that we have our legal remedies and are looking at whether he was worth suing. That was what that letter was all about. I asked him to retract. That's all. He's drawn the conclusion that we threatened him. If someone explaining a legal problem in a letter is a threat to Luke, that's Luke's problem, not mine. This is the way it's done. That's what we did."
Cambria: "Luke, you had something else on your site where you said Eddie Wedelstedt threatened your life in May. You remember that? I was at the conference in Acapulco [Cancun]. You said it was a secret conference. There wasn't anything secret about it. There were a lot of people who knew about it. It wasn't anything that anybody was trying to hide. Secondly, all the time I was there, I never heard your name mentioned one time, let alone Eddie Wedelstedt supposedly threatening you. Supposedly you got this threat in May and the first time you talked about it was August? Doesn't sound like somebody who was legitimately threatened. Would you wait until August to mention it if you were actually threatened in May? Again, you put up these straw dogs to look like this major victim so that the world will say, 'Poor Luke. He must be SO important because all these important people are threatening him with legal letters and statements, that we must focus our attention on Luke Ford. Isn't that what this whole game is about with you? Let's blow it all
