Highlights from the Wayne Resnick show KFI, 640 AM
Every Broadway show generally gets an off-Broadway tryout. Before Luke Ford and attorney Paul Cambria squared off for their nearly three-hour debate on the Ed Powers show [KLSX, 97.1 FM] Saturday night, they did a "tryout" stint on the Wayne Resnick show earlier that evening on KFI, 640 AM. It might sound like the beating of a dead horse, by now, but here are some of the highlights.
Host Resnick introduced Ford as "troublemaker extraordinaire." "You report what's going on in the world of adult entertainment," Resnick said, "and you piss everybody off." Ford said he's "the most hated man in pornography". Resnick observed that Ford "doesn't necessarily go way, way out of his way to make sure that it's all true, all the time."
"That's absolutely correct," Ford agreed. "I love to run baloney in there."
Resnick immediately called in question the semantics of Ford's book A History of X: 100 Years of Sex in Film. Resnick asked if it shouldn't be titled sex on film. With the other title, Resnick said he pictured a couple humping in 35mm film stock. Resnick then said the station would act as a "conduit" for Cambria and Ford to hash out their differences. "We don't know if anything he [Ford] says is true, or what is sources are, or if he knows what the hell he's talking about," Resnick offered as a Ford disclaimer
As ground rules for the debate, Resnick said he would apply the code word, "French Tickler" if and when either Cambria or Ford got into territory little understood to the public-at-large.
In his opening remarks, Cambria said he spends a large portion of his career defending the First Amendment and would never defend someone's right to abuse the First Amendment.
"What we have here is this," said Cambria, "I've represented Vivid Video for a long time, and Luke took it upon himself to make a false statement which he knew was false; he said that the so-called contract girls who worked for Vivid Video had AIDS. There wasn't any disclaimer or abashed pretense that he was kidding around; or that this is some kind of satire. He just laid it out there as a fact.
"He knows it's not a fact and clearly has no basis to say it," Cambria went on to say. "Basically, he revels in the fact that he can get on his website and make blatantly malicious false statements, and apparently feel that he's covered in the mantle of the First Amendment and that he's untouchable. When I sent him a letter indicating to him that we were looking this over, that we had it under advisement to determine whether or not he was worth suing, he, of course, asked me a while back whether or not he could interview me, and I said as long as I can interview you, you can interview me. That's the reason why we're here."
Cambria asked Ford if it was fair to say that Ford reported the Vivid girls/AIDS story as a "joke". "That's true," said Ford. "It was out of a whole string of satirical pieces tat were running on my page that day." Cambria asked Ford if he had made "satirical" disclaimers to that effect. "I ran it as part of a series of satirical statements," Ford said.
"Do you say they had AIDS?" Cambria asked. "Yes," was Ford's reply. "You had no basis to say that." Cambria said. "Absolutely no basis," Ford agreed. Ford also agreed that it was possible for loggers-on to his site to believe those statements.
"The First Amendment says you can do a lot of things, but one of the things it says you cannot do is commit the offense of defamation," Cambria pointed out. "That means you make a false statement which you have no basis to believe is true, and you do so totally disregarding any kind of thought about the truth. In addition, somebody out there might reasonably believe that it is true. And you feel that you have the right to do this. It appears, at least from what I'm hearing from people in the industry, that you feel you're immune to any kind of lawsuits because perhaps you don't have anything. 'Sue away because I don't have anything to take in the first place.' I know from time to time you've tried to seek some refuge in the Flynt situation, Larry Flynt's decision in the United States Supreme Court. But this isn't like what Larry Flynt did to the Rev. Falwell. At least Larry Flynt, when he did his Campari parody, he had in there a disclaimer. The disclaimer said this isn't depended to be true; it's fictitious and so on. Of course, they said ad parody, not to be taken seriously. You've never done anything like that. Now you have all these various ladies who are working for Vivid Video...you've accused them of having a life-ending disease. As far as I'm concerned, that's the kind of thing I think is unjustifiable in all regards. You have to appreciate the majesty of your site. There are a lot of people, apparently, who log onto your site and they read your stuff. Now you have taken this position with regard to these girls without any pretense of it being satire. You can't just, two days later say something that you think is satire and, at the same time, accuse these people of having a life-ending disease. That to me is irresponsible. That means that if somebody is willing to do it, and willing to stand up to you, you should pay the penalty."
Saying he thought Cambria made some sound points, Ford commented that, "This is not what of my proudest moments." Ford said Cambria was right to take him to task for it. "This statement, this outrageous and totally untrue, false statement that I ran on my site was in the context of a series of paragraphs about the leaders of the pornography industry dancing around in women's underwear, making outrageous statements, being drunk, on drugs.."
Cambria at one point almost slipped and referred to Ford as his "colleague". He backtracked. "I was trying to think of an appropriate word and be a gentleman," Cambria quipped.
Resnick commented about someone writing a satirical piece in the New Yorker, assuming there was a much more sophisticated audience vs. a Luke Ford website piece. "With all due respect to everybody in the world, the kind of people who rabidly may be logging in every day to lukeford.com to find out what's going on with porno people, and these are the kind of people who find things like Forrest Hump to be really funny, they might not have the same Noel Cowardesque flair for satire. Does he [Ford] have to work even harder to make it clear that it's satire?"
"That's one of the basic fallacies that people who have who are not all familiar with the audience that he [Ford] imbibes in the adult product," Cambria answered. "The people who are patrons of adult material are regular, normal, ordinary, business professional, etc. individuals. That's been the stereotype over the years that it's some kind of flasher in a raincoat. It's never proven to be so.
"If you talk to the people who run the video stores, who have logs of customers...we tried a case a year ago in Washington, actually in a Virginia suburb, it was one of the Max Hardcore films," Cambria pointed out. "The people there, we demonstrated in the court room, the people who were the clientele of this bookstore were judges, police officers..One of the assistant D.A.'s, when we walked in the courtroom, was a regularly customer, a female, and a male as well. Ordinary people go in there. A lot of people think only perverted weirdos are logging on to Luke's site or going into these stores, and that's just not true."
Resnick said he didn't mean that these people were "sub-human in intelligence." "I don't mean that people who are into pornography are stupid, but I'm wondering, if, as a group, they might be just a little less likely to have a bookshelf full of Evelyn Waugh."
Cambria said it's a stereotype not born out by reality, "That you have to be more pedantic to them because they're not as educated as you would think the audience for the New Yorker would be," he said. "You may find out it's the same audience. There's always been an underestimation of the level of sophistication of people who are interested in adult material.
Cambria sees you see that fact played out in an analysis of the membership in video stores across the country. "They're not just your bumbling raincoat group. They're people from all walks of life."
"Shouldn't they be savvy enough to know that he [Ford] was kidding?" Resnick wanted to know.
Cambria read one of Ford's newsstories quoting KCBS. "People going to his site are going to say, well, let's see now I believe that people in the adult industry have Aids and they have to wear condoms."
"He didn't just say they had AIDS, but that KCBS reported that they had AIDS," Resnick added. Resnick asked Ford if it wasn't made all the worse by Ford reporting that a news station said it.
"That's what makes it all the more fantastic and wild," Ford said. "When you run it, just after a bunch of pornographers like Steve Hirsch running around in women's underwear and high heels.."
Cambria pointed out the irony that Ford refers to "pornographers," yet maintains website links "to every piece of adult material you can find in the industry....you're a blip on the screen because of the adult industry, Cambria said. "You hold yourself up holier-than-thou to criticize the adult industry, but for the adult industry, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You get your very existence by carpetbagging onto the adult industry." Cambria also said there was no basis for Ford making statements about people being drunk or high.
"Luke doesn't like you guys," Resnick pointed out. "Luke is very conflicted."
"Before this, Luke worked at a radio station someplace doing a traffic report or something. This is Luke's day in the sunshine, and he got it only because of the adult industry," said Cambria.
"He's got a love-hate repulsion with the world," Resnick observed. "It gets you horny then it really makes you feel really sick and dirty and you kinda hate it."
"I have many reactions to pornography like I think most people have to pornography," Ford said. "On the one hand, they will use it to receive a certain level of stimulation, and to satisfy that need, and, afterwards, they may feel disgusted. When you walk into a store and you're hungry for this material, all the boxcovers look fascinating. As soon as you have reached that level of fascination and satisfaction, then it's like the last thing you want to see."
Cambria asked Ford, if that is so, why does he maintain so many site links with porno."Why would you tell people like Ed Powers that you wished you were in a porno movie? Why would you say that one of your great loves in life was one of the main porno actresses out there. Which side of your mouth are you talking out of? You're like a male Medussa here. 'When it's to my benefit to criticize, I criticize. On the other hand, when I'm making myself a living...all of a sudden the adult industry is okay. I hate them all but look at all the links of have on my site.' "
Website "Nurses" Appeal for Reinstatement
George and Tracy Miller, the couple who were terminated from their jobs as nurses as a result of running an adult website, have filed their appeal with Scottsdale Healthcare Hospital seeking reinstatement. According to Miller attorney Lawrence G. Walters, among the reasons for the Miller appeal are the fact that an employee cannot be punished for exercising his or her First Amendment rights, under which the adult website is protected; that the Millers did not violate sexual harassment law after their suspension, and that the termination is a violation of public policy. The Millers, according to Walters, are seeking to be reinstated with back pay and a public apology by hospital administration.
"We want to give the hospital a chance to reconsider their decision to dismiss my clients before taking the hospital to court," said Walters who is with the Florida law firm of Wasserman & Walters, representing the Millers. "Reinstating the Millers will save the hospital substantial legal costs and embarrassment."
The Millers were on the Howard Stern show several weeks ago where they pleaded their case. The Millers told Stern they were fired from their day jobs as nurses at Scotsdale Hospital in Arizona when it became known that they had created a porn website, touchable.com
Tracy, who bills herself as Dakota Rae, said she was a critical care nurse. "That's a horrible name," Stern said. "It's not sexy. Dakota Rae? How about Decoder Ring? How about Amber?" "Too many Ambers on the Internet," Tracy said. "I thought it was different."
"You have a very big chest. They're obviously implants," Stern said. George mentioned they've been married 14 years and have two kids. "You don't fool around with other couples, it's just the two of you on your website having sex," Stern said. "You have responsible jobs, why would you jeopardize your reputation and put your children in a position where their mom and dad are screwing their brains out on the Internet? Is it the money?" "We heard you could," George said. "We charge."
"I bought a digital camera and took some pictures," George said. Stern agreed that Tracy had a pretty good body. Tracy said she works out with weights about four times a week. Stern asked her if she ever had a desire to be a stripper. Tracy said no.
"We took more and more pictures, then wet pictures in a swimming pool...we did it for free at first on picture posts to see if we would get a response," George said. "The response got bigger and bigger. We thought what's the big deal, no harm. We started getting more requests. Then we flipped it over to a pay site. It's a very diverse site."
"Something went horribly wrong where your boss found out about it. What happened?" Stern asked. "Someone we worked with found out," George said. "It was probably my big mouth. Within 24 hours the entire hospital system knew about our website. For about two weeks we heard that the administrators were talking about our website. No one said anything to us. We started getting canceled more and more." [The Millers were per diem nurses.] Miller said he got a call from the nurse-manager telling him that, until further notice, they were suspended. She mentioned the website.
"I have a real problem with that," Stern said. "Because you pose nude you shouldn't be able to work in a hospital? What's the downside of people posing nude? Maybe the hospital's saying these are people who exercise poor judgment. Maybe they're going to start taking their clothes off in front of patients. Maybe the hospital says people don't want to be treated by porno stars. But I've got to side with this couple. I don't know what it is, but I got to back 'em up. I endorse their struggle to get back to work."
Ben "Bugsy" Siegel writes: Well, now you're just lying, Genie. I read your original post on the Sheen story. And I read what you ran after the New York Post column ran. They were different. The only similarity involved was your unattributed word-for-word parroting of "Page Six."
And you're lying about attributing the SF Chronicle and Examiner. You copy them word-for-word. When you parrot like that, you have to put it in quotes. Instead, you present the writing as your own. Try paraphrasing instead of plagiarism. But you're no more a journalist than Luke Ford with his goofy rantings. You're more like a press secretary.
Not that it matters all that much. You just put out what people tell you. People you think are powerful, that is. BTW, I don't write news stories for the Chron. Or the LA Times, for that matter. And my pieces seldom get edited. And, surprisingly enough, my name isn't really Ben Siegel. Have a ball.
Gene sez: "Sticks and stones are breaking my bones. And, oh my God!! You're cc'ing Luke Ford on these communiques!! I'm ruined!!! Before, Bugsy, I just thought you were blind. Apparently we can now add deaf and dumb to the equation. What part of this don't you understand. I interviewed Charles L'Amour and wrote the Sheen story a day BEFORE the New York Post story. I asked Charlese to corroborate some of her comments by having her attorney fax me certain info. That, not being forthcoming, I wrote the story using "XXX" in place of Sheen's name to stay off the hook until this story could be verified through additional media, which it was, later that evening. Of course my story was different than the New York Post's, that's because I got it straight from the horse's mouth. On the other issue, any time another news source is employed, the body copy of that attribution reads "According to," the "... paper says," etc., etc. And their are quotes put in when required. Nobody is passing this stuff off as their own. Perhaps if I use bold letters where the "according to's" are, you'll rest much easier, knowing you've saved the world from the oppressive rule of despotic press secretaries. Which, by the way, thanks for the compliment. I have been both a news reporter and P.R. executive for many years before getting into this line of work. And I seriously doubt that you're any form of journalist by the tone of your letters. True professionals in that field don't have time to service the vitriol you're obviously burdened with. And it's obvious, by your tone, that you hate the adult business, too. I suggest a good anti-depressant and a course in remedial reading to cure what ills.
Pennsylvania Turnpike Toll Fees at Work
According to the On-Line Post Gazette, Deborah Eckert Jubelirer, wife of Pennsylvania State senator Robert Jubelirer, R-Altoona has resigned from her job at the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission when nude photos of her were discovered in the computer system of the turnpike commission office. As a result, a turnpike computer technician has also been fired after officials discovered Jubelirer's nudes photos had been shot in the turnpike administration headquarters building near Harrisburg.
Jubelirer, 43, wife of state Sen. Robert Jubelirer, R-Altoona, resigned from her $66,539-a-year job as assistant deputy executive director in the turnpike's marketing department.
Kenneth R. Manherz, 45, of Harrisburg, a $43,389-a-year technician who worked on the turnpike's internal computer system, was accused of shooting the photos with a high-tech digital camera that belonged to the turnpike commission. Manherz, a six-year employee, had access to the turnpike-owned digital camera that was used to take the pictures and the ability to download photos onto turnpike computers.
Commission officials would not comment on the firings claiming that it was an "internal matter".
Jubelirer's husband Robert, who is Senate president pro tem, also had no comment. The Jubelirers are reportedly separated.
Turnpike administrators said they had received reports that nude photos were on the turnpike's internal computer system before they discovered the photos that Manherz is accused of taking of Deborah Jubelirer. At least one other female employee at the turnpike building in Highspire, Dauphin County, appeared in the photos. Officials indicated her role was minor and no disciplinary action was taken.
At least a dozen other employees at the turnpike administration building reportedly said they were aware of the incident, as did a legislative staffer at the state Capitol.
Deborah Jubelirer's appoint to her turnpike post two years ago triggered a protest from Jayne Garver, currently manager of the commission's property division, who claimed in a lawsuit that she had been unfairly denied the position because senator Jubelirer was dating his future wife at the time. Garver received $250,000 in an out-of-court settlement.
S. Andrew Roberts writes: "I won two hours of free first amendment consultation, with Paul Cambria, by making the highest bid at last year's Night Of Stars silent auction. Do you think I should donate my free time to Luke?"
Gene sez: "I think they forgot to tell you that a free, four-hour debate with Cambria is included in that package."
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Luke Ford writes: "You did a super accurate job writing up my appearance on Conway and Steckler. Thank you. And thanks for pointing out the Nikki Charm matter, and the mistakes in several of my footnotes in my book A HISTORY OF X. I hope that we can do a radio show together soon.
Over three months ago I said that the porn industry was not big enough for the both of us and that within three months, one of us will be gone. I was wrong.
Cincy Jury Acquits Adult Video Store Workers; Jury finds tapes aren't 'obscene'
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, a jury has acquitted Butler County adult video-store owner Peter Tomaino and two store clerks, Billie J. Doan and Caroletha Geter of three counts of pandering obscenity in a trial. The decision was handed down Friday.
Tomaino, owner of VIP Video stores in Hamilton and Millville, and two store clerks, Doan and Geter, smiled broadly as the bailiff read the decision.
"I'm going to eat a big, big steak tonight," the Enquirer reported Tomaino as saying. "There goes my diet."
After five hours of deliberation, the jury of nine women and three men decided that the three sexually explicit videos - Best of Freaks, Orgymania, and Sinderella She-Male - do not meet the legal definition of obscenity. The jurors declined to comment after the verdict.
"It renews my faith in America," said Tomaino's wife, Barbi.
Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Dan Gattermeyer said the verdict disappointed him, but does not diminish his will to fight adult video stores. He will prosecute an obscenity trial against a different Butler County video store, Millville Video Inc., on Aug. 23 before Judge Matthew Crehan.
"We're not giving up on this issue," Gattermeyer said. "We think the standards of the community are different from the standards of this jury. The jury pool didn't reflect the values of Butler County."
According to the Enquirer, this is the third court victory in Butler County for Mr. Tomaino's adult-video stores in the past year. In separate trials last year, Tomaino Ms. Doan were convicted of misdemeanor charges of disseminating material harmful to a juvenile, but were acquitted of felony charges of disseminating obscene material to a juvenile.
Tomaino and Dean received a six-month suspended sentence and a $1,000 fine and were sentenced to 120 hours of community service. A conviction in this week's trial could have resulted in a sentence of up to a year in prison. The charges stemmed from the purchase of the three videos by undercover police officers in late 1997 and early 1998.
The Rev. Ray Riddick, founder of Butler County Citizens Against Pornography, said Friday's verdict runs counter to the wishes of most county residents. Mary Lou Kusel, Doan's attorney, said the verdict is a victory for freedom of choice.
"It says that people have freedom of choice and should not be prevented from doing something that's legal," she said.
In closing arguments, Gattermeyer told the jury the three videos violate community standards for decency and should be labeled legally obscene. The three defense attorneys argued that although the videos may have offended and disgusted some jurors, they do not meet the legal definition of obscene.
Louis Sirkin, Mr. Tomaino's attorney, told jurors that Donna Olson, a former clerk for VIP Video store, said she saw people from all walks of life - including off-duty police officers - come into the store to buy adult videos.
"The standards of the community of Butler County is that you have the right to choose," said Sirkin, who represented Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt in a recent Hamilton County obscenity case that resulted in a plea bargain.
"We're not dragging people into the stores to buy the videos," he said.
PENTHOUSE AND PRIVATE MEDIA GROUP ANNOUNCE JOINT VENTURE AGREEMENT; TOP ADULT INDUSTRY COMPANIES JOIN FORCES IN MAJOR PACT
Private Media Group Inc. (Nasdaq: PRVT), a leader in high-class adult entertainment products and services since 1965 and the first such company trading on the National Nasdaq Market, has announced that it has entered into a joint venture agreement with another giant in the adult industry, General Media Communications International ("Penthouse"), for the production, distribution and promotion of top quality 'soft' and 'hard' adult films.
The Agreement calls for Private and Penthouse to work together to launch a new video and DVD adult line which will be created and produced by Private Media Group. Private will produce the films in two different versions, both 'hard' and 'soft', to suit the markets where the films will be distributed.
The films will be shot with multi-angle cameras, enabling the release of each title in 'non-broadcast' formats such as VHS and DVD, and utilizing digital technology suitable for 'broadcast media' such as cable television. Private will own the copyrights to all the films, subject to certain licenses granted to Penthouse. The films will be distributed worldwide by both Private and Penthouse through their respective distribution networks, with Private having exclusive rights to distribute the 'hard' versions in all formats throughout the world, together with the exclusive rights to distribute the 'soft' versions in all formats in the United Kingdom. Penthouse will handle worldwide distribution of the 'soft' versions, with the exception of the United Kingdom. Private and Penthouse will share total net revenue equally from each production.
Included in the unique pact, is a Mail Order provision that conforms to the 'hard' and 'soft' distribution rights as defined, and which will insure that the new product range will be in a position to maximize sales revenues through traditional outlets as well as the Internet. In addition, the Agreement provides for promotion of the new titles on each company's websites, among the largest and most reputable in the adult industry, and incorporates extensive publicity for such releases through both the Private and Penthouse magazine titles.
Both founded in 1965, General Media Communications International and Private Media Group Inc. have established themselves as the leaders in quite different and distinctive segments of the adult sector. Both companies have also considerably expanded their respective businesses beyond their original flagship publications.
The winner of numerous awards for outstanding journalism since its inception, Penthouse is one of the most recognizable commercial brand names on the US market over the past 30 years - on a par even with Coca Cola and McDonalds. Penthouse is published in 18 foreign editions distributed in 22 countries and remains the Company's best-selling magazine on newsstands. Founded in London, England, Penthouse was launched in the United States in 1969 by the man still the helm, Bob Guccione.
Prioritizing its market activities in the US in recent times, Private Media Group has established a reputation for high-class, high-quality adult entertainment that sets it apart from inferior competitors. Headquartered in Barcelona, Spain, Private has diversified aggressively in recent years. Websites, magazines, DVDs, video and film productions, a Private Circle fashion line, CD-Roms, adult pleasure products, nutritional supplements, energy drinks and personal care products are all part of its portfolio and available in over 35 countries. Guiding Private Media Group Inc. with youthful zest and business acumen is CEO, Berth Milton.
"This is a unique agreement in the history of adult entertainment," Berth Milton said. "From Private Media Group Inc.'s perspective, it is an invaluable opportunity to heighten the Company's worldwide profile still further, but particularly in the US market, and allows us to add to our productions base while increasing sales revenues. It is, quite simply, an incredible opportunity for potential investors in our publicly-quoted company to seize the initiative with a rapidly expanding company which already has a broad product portfolio and a vibrant Internet presence."
For General Media Communications International, Bob Guccione added: "Private is the ideal partner for continuing our global expansion into the home video and broadcast markets worldwide. As both companies have already established brand-name awareness for provocative quality programming, this dynamic alliance promises to become the pre-eminent force in the adult marketplace. We are anticipating this to be one of many exciting co-ventures together."
HAVE JENNA JAMESON ALL YEAR: J2K
Wicked Pictures announces the release of the most anticipated calendar of the millenium - the J2K calendar. Jenna Jameson is featured in this beautifully photographed calendar on the island of St. Barth. Photographed by Brad Willis, the J2K calendar is a sixteen-month calendar and is available now.
Fans will be able to see the making of the J2K calendar in an upcoming video release from Wicked. Until then, fans can log on to the Jenna Jameson web site at www.jennaj.com, for a sneak peek of the calendar. Fans can also tune in to the E! Channel on August 28th for "Wild on...the Islands," which features a special on the making of the calendar.
The E! Channel will also feature the J2K calendar on their website where fans will be able to purchase the calendar on-line - the first ever cross-promotion of a product on the E! Channel. The calendar will also be available on Jenna's web site and on the Wicked Pictures web site at www.wickedweb.com.
The end of summer is getting hotter with the release of Jenna's greatly anticipated film "Hell on Heels," directed by Brad Armstrong, which will be available at the beginning of August. She will also make her second appearance on Comedy Central's hit television show "The Man Show" in mid-August. Additionally, the "Flashpoint" DVD is available now!!!
Jenna is back and everything is Wicked. Don't miss out on your opportunity to have Jenna all year! For calendar distribution please call 818 349-3593.
For more information on Jenna and her Wicked projects contact Seth Andrea McCoy at 818 349-3593.
Luke Ford: The, I Lied, I Lied, Years
Under grueling pressure from defense attorney Paul Cambria and AVN's Mark Kernes, akin to Chinese Water Torture, Luke Ford finally admitted Saturday night on the Ed Powers show that he lied outright about some news stories posted on his website. Cambria got into the debating act in the first place when Ford began writing about Vivid girls having AIDS and Vivid being a target of an FBI sweep. Cambria is Vivid's attorney. Later on in the evening, Kernes added his two cents with a phone call.
Cambria said that he's principally a criminal defense attorney and about 20% of his work is in the First Amendment area.
AVN publisher Paul Fishbein called during the course of the program.
Fishbein: "I want to make a factual correction. I read that Rolling Stone piece, and I only remember reading that supposedly a reader made that comment about Luke. [Ford earlier in the show had said that Eddie Wedelstedt, in Rolling Stone, had made death threats against him.]
"I don't remember seeing Eddie Wedelstedt's name in that article."
Ford: "The article said that an owner of a chain of retail threats had made that threat. The Rolling Stone fact checker who called me confirmed that it was Eddie Wedelstedt. They did not print his name in the Rolling Stone article."
Fishbein: "I moderated 12 hours of seminars and discussions, and the name Luke Ford came up one time in 12 hours over four days, and it came up for a total of three minutes. There were no threats made that anyone in that room heard. I don't
