re fute: to prove wrong by argument or evidence: show to be false or erroneous.
Luke Ford must be using the Webster's Australian Abridged Dictionary to define the word "refute" as meaning some form of cover-up. In either case, Rob Black, humorous digressions and all, offers both refutation AND rebuttal to comments made on Ford's lukeford.com April 7 posting...but first, Black has comments to make about Van Damage's comments posted on this site, yesterday. The Van Damage remarks were made several days after he, Black and Tom Byron returned from a trip to Brazil. Since that time, Damage has been extremely low-profile, although there have been Damage sightings throughout the industry - particularly last week when Damage was seen doing lighting at a Michael Raven shoot for Sin City.
Black: "Everything is a fucking lie. I highlighted stuff and everything. Me and Tommy we got our new office. The furniture's not up yet, then we're getting some couches and shit. It says in here I threw Tiffany out in the street. That's bullshit. I told Tiffany to go stay with her mom. She elected to take it upon herself to go stay at this editor's, Big Red - David Lockhart's who used to edit for Pink Planet. She [Mynx] stayed there with Chandler. Cause Chandler got thrown out of her house by Kid Sparkle. Them two stayed over at David Lockhart's ‘cause Tiffany doesn't want to go back and stay with her mom because she has to, like, conform to rules, I guess. She can't be a little cunt-whore and smoke dope and be a fucking recluse. So she took it upon herself to go stay at that guy's house. She has a mother. She has a mother, and father, and a brother and sister that live 10 minutes away. If you're not close enough to stay with your family to stay with them, that's your problem. That's because you have no fucking homelife fucking whatsoever.
"It says that Van and Tiffany gave up a house because they thought it would help the company? No..no..no...no. The story is [Black pauses to hock some tobacco juice]... when we were at Elegant, I lived up in Bell Canyon in a house that cost me $4,000 a month. Van lived up in the house that [Rob] Spallone's at...that's like $3200 a month. As we started the new company, and I broke up with Nikki [Black's former girlfriend], cause I got good stuff about her...basically, around the office we were calling Van, Sammy The Bull Gravano. He's a fucking rat. If anybody wants a good rat in their company, you hire Van Damage and Tiffany Mynx because they're little fucking rats. So, I'm at that house, I break up with Nikki, Nikki moves back to Texas. It's a rough break-up. Lots of drama. You know fighting back and forth, but it was what it was. So now I'm in the house like two months after we still have this company [Extreme Associates]. So I'm, like, why am I here by myself spending all this money? I can't afford to pay all this rent. We got a brand new company. We got to put it back in the company. So, my lease is up. Instead of renewing it, I moved out. I went and stayed with Tommy. Me and Tommy moved in because me and Tommy were going to get a big house anyways. So I said, ‘I'll just move in with you in this little fucking piece of shit house, and me and you will just fucking live like jabronis and save our money. No problem.'
"So, now, the weeks and weeks are going on, and I'm giving Van money and he's still living in a fucking $3,000-a-month fucking house. After about a month and a half of this, I go, ‘Van, I'm not going to pay for this fucking house no more.' This is during the time that Van Damage decides he doesn't want to do movies. And he's coming into our office telling us he's got ‘personal problems,' and he's having problems with Tiffany because Tiffany wants him to come home, and Tiffany doesn't want him to do scenes anymore. Cause you know what Van used to do? Van would get these new girls...these brand new girls...this is part of the thing that we call him the Creepie Peepie. A) for the fact that he has herpes so bad, his dick is so discolored because his herpes would scab over then scab off. So they would scar. So we called him the Creepie Peepie because of that. And Tiffany's got it. Van gave her the fucking herp.
"We had to cancel three shoots because Tiffany had the herpe outbreak. So they both still got it. That's not fucking hearsay. That's the goddamn truth, cause if they both got tested they'd get positive for herpes. It's fucking disgusting. None of the girls wanted to work with Tiffany anymore because she had the herpes. So, now, what Van used to do - all the new girls that would come aboard, they would stay at Van's house, and Van would fuck them. When T.J. Hart first got into the business, Van was fucking T.J. Hart, and Tiffany was there. Out first contract girl, K.C. Carson, we had her contracted and ready to go, and she had to stay with Van and Tiffany, and Van fucked her, and fucked her with Tiffany and all this stuff, and the girl never wanted to come back out because she was fucking sexually assaulted. When the boss of the company is sitting there saying you gotta fuck me, that it's a good idea and have sex with me, and you could get further in the company, that's sexual harassment.
"So, T. J. Hart was staying out the house, and her and Van would fuck. Tiffany came up one night, and T.J.'s in the bed laying on Van's chest, and Tiffany got all upset. So Van's going through all this, saying, ‘I can't shoot, Tiffany gets jealous...' I go, Van, it's because you're fucking all these girls. Tiffany comes into me one day. She's crying because Van has the new girls there, and he fucks them, and Van goes to Tiffany, ‘Let's fuck them, too. Let's fuck this girl tonight, c'mon.' He'd make Tiffany fuck the new girls with him. Like a real fucking scumbag. So he's telling me he can't get his movies done because he can't shoot as much because Tiffany's getting upset. He has to go home and be with her.
"So, around this point, after I'm paying for this house, I go, ‘Van, you guys gotta move out of that house. You have to get an apartment or a cheap house like me and Tommy live in. So they go in the Warner Center and they look for an apartment there. Van comes back and says, ‘I even had to fill out bank stuff,' so they could get approved for their apartment. So they get approved for it but they can't move in for three weeks. So they pack up all their stuff, he got out of his lease at the other house. Our lawyer got him out of it which we had to PAY for. They stay in a hotel. So now they're complaining because they have to stay in a hotel. I say you guys don't have to stay in a hotel. Come and stay with us until you get your fucking apartment. Don't worry about it. I don't want them to stay out a hotel because then I got to pay for a fucking hotel every week. I'm going to have to pay two fucking grand for a hotel. Well, staying with us turned into five months. We would sit there all the time and say, why haven't they moved out? What happened to their apartment. ‘Ahh, we didn't like that apartment..we're going to look around again, this and that.' They just pushed it off. And then they just stayed there and stayed there. That was THEIR fucking choice. I never fucking asked them to move into that fucking house. They're fucking leeches. That's what they are. They liked staying there. Tiffany didn't have to do the laundry. She had Iroc do the laundry. I would cook dinner every night. We would eat out every night. I'd buy steaks and whatever fucking else there is. Van's a fucking scumbag, just like her. They didn't give up shit for the company.
"Then Tiffany lost her passport. She was supposed to go to Brazil and they didn't know they were supposed to go? That's the biggest bullshit lie because I had to get the Brazil tickets ahead of time to get a good rate. They knew the month BEFORE that we were going to Brazil. In Brazil, they knew a month and a half before, because Brazil made up banners and posters with Tiffany's name all over the place. Because Tiffany Mynx got her passport OUT of storage. And I had to pay to help get Van's passport out of storage - at Beacon's - they got the passport ahead of time. Tiffany was going, ‘I don't understand how I lost it. It was in my room a day ago.' It was in her room a day ago. And then Tiffany tried to accuse people of stealing it. She looked at Lizzy Borden who asked her if she tried going to the passport office to get an emergency-thing. ‘No, I need my marriage certificate because my name's different.' Lizzy says well you need to try, Tiffany. You have to go with us [to Brazil]. People are expecting you. We had this planned for a month. Tiffany said, ‘It's apparent that somebody doesn't want me to go to Brazil.'
"We're sitting there, un-fucking-believable. So that's a complete, utter bullshit lie. I'll get the invoice of when we bought the tickets. And the invoice of buying Tiffany's ticket and the day we left is exactly a fucking month. So they knew a month before that they had to go to fucking Brazil. A motherfucking lie. A goddamn lie!
"Let me go to the next fucking point. Van now discovers that he doesn't own his product? How do you own product when somebody else pays for every fucking thing. How do you own product when somebody else pays the duplication, pays the boxes, pays the fucking talent, pays everything. How do you own that? You don't fucking OWN it. I own it. It's my money. It's my fucking movie. Any other place you have to fucking finance your own thing. When Van says he put his own money up in the beginning? What own money. What did put up, seven grand? Seven grand doesn't even pay for the cast of the fucking movie. And I had to give him back the seven grand so he could fucking live. He put nothing up. He's a fucking lying piece of shit. Then it says he doesn't have a dime in his pocket? Let me tell you something. And we threw a five-year deal at him? The deal we made, and we have the fucking contracts, was worth 1.2 MILLION dollars. He was getting paid $15,000 a movie for hard and soft. And he passed that up. He said, no, no, no. He got pissed because we fired Tiffany. We don't need somebody costing us money and fucking us over; and then sitting there trying to conspire and get the other contract girls upset. She used to go out there and talk to Jasmin, saying, ‘I want to quit. You should quit. I don't know why you want to be here, blah, blah, blah,' and do shit like that."
Damage was offered the deal AFTER he knew Tiffany was fired, Black says
Black: "I said to Van, ‘If you want to be with her, be with her. I don't suggest you be with because she's going to bring you down. But if you want to be with her, I don't care, Van.' We had this conversation in the Mercedes when we came back from Brazil. Me, Tommy and Van talked about it. And Van goes, ‘I don't know what I'm going to do,' I go, Van, be with her. I don't care. But we want you, and we want you to stay. And we're going to give you a five-year deal.' Then he's like, ‘I want $15,000 for the hard.' And he started to haggle. And we're going, man you're not going to get this money from anybody, motherfucker. After that we said, ‘Leave if you're gonna go.'
"Tiffany Mynx was never paid dime one for Asswoman? Well, I got canceled checks that fucking state she was paid for that. I got room, board, food, doctor bills for her doctor; her lawyer. I took CARE of them for a fucking year!!! I got every fucking thing there is. Oh, it was "volunteer" work? That's a fucking lie!! The fact that, what did Van say, he wanted it to be like it was in the beginning? In the beginning, I never wanted Van Damage. When we were left Patrick Collins, it was supposed to be me and Tom Byron. Tom Byron is the one who said we need to take Van. I said I don't want Van. He's a fucking douche. He don't make good movies. He goes, ‘We need Van because Van shoots my stuff when I fuck the girls, and I really need that. And all my editor's choices that I've done this far, he shot, so I need him to fucking to do this.' So, here we are at Extreme Associates, and I shoot all the scenes that Tom Byron fucks in, and he's got editor's choices and awards. So it wasn't anybody shooting it, it was Tom Byron doing it.
"In turn, Tommy goes, ‘Please, if I'm gonna come, I need you to take Van. Do it as a favor to me.' So I took Van in. I never wanted that piece of shit. And Tiffany came with the baggage because Tiffany was going out with Van. THEN I find out, to sum it all up, as the fucking RAT, my ex-girlfriend's [Nikki] sitting there doing post-its on the Internet and talking about stuff that only the company would know. And she was calling my mom and getting my mom upset. And saying shit to my mom. We couldn't figure out who it was from. You know what we found out!!?? Van was calling Nikki and telling Nikki all the shit that was going on in the Extreme office. He was telling my ex-girlfriend, who we forbid for anybody to talk to, he was telling her shit. Nikki talked to my mom after all this shit came out on the Internet, and told her she used to talk to Van all the time. She gave my mom Van's little pass names, the little code names that he would use. Van was telling Nikki that Rob is doing too much drugs. My mom would call up and ask me if I was doing too many drugs. ‘Mom, what are you talking about? I smoke fucking dope everyday. What's the problem?'
"Van's telling fucking Nikki all this shit. Nikki was in Texas. Van would talk to her on the fucking e-mail, and then Van was trying to convince her to do fucking movies!! Nikki was going like, ‘If I did movies, maybe Rob would love me again, this and that.' Van was telling her, ‘I can make you a big star.' This fucking dirty cocksucker. This motherfucker. All this stuff went on months, and months and months. Let him comment on this. He's a fucking lying piece of shit!! He's got the credibility of nothing. And anybody who works with him or Tiffany, I hope they better wear condoms, because they better go get tested for fucking herpes. Cause they got fucking herpes now. Unbelievable. And that's not defamation of character. All they gotta do is go to the doctor right now...like they said Jasmin had hepatitis and Marc Wallice, this and that...well, guess what? If these things are untrue, have them go to the fucking doctor. They go to the doctor right now, they'll both test positive for fucking herpes. They knowingly work with active fucking herpes. We have pictures of Van...we'd be sitting there in the editing bay watching a dupe master..."
Black was asked if he knew that Van and Tiffany both had herpes, why were they working with other performers.
Black: "They weren't supposed to work if they had an outbreak. I only knew after the facts that they worked with outbreaks. It was with one of our contract people, Jessica Darlin.' Jessica freaked out. What do you do in a company when people think that Van's the boss? Van postures himself as the boss. When Van says in order to go high in this company, you got to fuck me. I never said, wow, there's a fucking herpe outbreak. We'd say to Van, ‘You can't fucking work with this stuff...' He said, ‘I know, I can't work. But I'm almost healed up.' Like that. Then we'd look at a picture. ‘Van you worked with an outbreak.' ‘No, it was healed up. That's just a scab-over.' I'll take the fucking heat. We never said to work with people with fucking outbreaks. This motherfucker would work with somebody, and we never seen it one time until the editing bay. This motherfucker was trouble from the beginning. When Van did his features he had autonomy. I would never see the movies. Very rarely would I see the movies. Van was responsible enough to shoot a scene and edit a scene to make sure there was no fist fucking and pissing in the goddamn thing. Just like I don't want watch Tommy's movies. Fuck, they've been in the business long enough that they should know this and that and not put anybody in danger."
Black then begins addressing the charges, one by one made on the Luke Ford site on April 7:
"Charges about this company being operated like a frat house and illicit sex going on behind closed doors are completely false. The charges about the Rubber shoot, that nothing had been shot on it, are completely false. We have a lot of stuff shot for that, and it is true. It did happen. [Gere getting injured - a pyrotechnic mishap in the desert put her out of commission. ] It says Ashlyn and her husband distrusted the boys at Extreme for months...completely false. Ashlyn never got hurt at a goddamn photo shoot. We'll have Marshall and Ashlyn call up to comment about that. That is completely and utterly false. There was no ‘courting' to get her to trust us. That's complete bullshit. Now I'm gonna start getting riled up...The deal was always done, it was always a matter of how many more movies we were going to have Ashlyn do. The whole sticker was that Ashlyn wanted to do more things than what I wanted to do. We let her do more things. In turn, she's doing gonzo-stuff. All the debate was if Ashlyn was going to do more things or less things. They wanted to do more things. Well, God bless ‘em.
Black [reads from Ford]: ‘I hear that Jon Dough is on his way out from Extreme'.. "Completely and utterly false...that he messed up an important shoot Monday with Ashlyn. Luciano is in the movie. We thought about doing Prima Donna, Charley Crowe's movie. We're trying to get Luciano over as an actor, and we put him in the movie [Monday] from the beginning to be the lead. The whole debate was whether his dick was going to work, and his dick is starting to heal, and he's doing it. If you watch the movie you notice he isn't performing anal because it's not completely healed yet. Luciano was always supposed to do the goddamn movie because he's a good actor and we're trying to get him over as a motherfucking actor. If he gets over as an actor, the kid can win awards because he's good. Jon Dough didn't fuck up anything because HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FUCKING MOVIE!!
"Marshall is directing the movie. This isn't a Jon Dough movie. It wasn't supposed to be Jon. I don't know where that came from. That's a complete and utter fucking falsehood. Luciano was supposed to do it from the beginning. Luciano's penis didn't fucking work, so we were debating whether it would be Tom Byron. Tommy said he can't do this, and Luciano at the last second said his dick works. But he can't do anal. Jon never fucked anything up. Jon is planning a production right now. He's doing his own fucking line for crissakes. This Luke Ford runs with lies.
"It's true about Van Damage and Tiffany Mynx having Michael Friedman as an attorney.
Black [reads]: ‘Sources back up most of the serious charges Black leveled this week at Van Damage and Tiffany Mynx, but Black left out information about himself such as his own predilections to hit up talent for blowjobs.'
"That's complete and utterly false. Nobody will fucking tell you I do that. I always sit there and comment to people when people tell stories about the business, that I didn't have enough balls to do that to anybody because I can't fucking do that. It's bullshit. I've never done it."
Black comments on charges that he left out the fact that Lizzy Borden was one of Damage's alleged amours.
"If you recall your story, I didn't name all the girls who were involved save for one. I just didn't put the girls names in because it will come down in a suit. But Lizzy is one of them. I don't give a fuck. I went out with Tricia Devereaux over a year and directed her in scenes while she was getting fucked by Dave Hardman up the ass. What do I give a fuck. I didn't go out with her when she was fucking wrangled up in the sex-thing with Van. I didn't put her name in for a reason. I didn't just name any of the fucking girls. It was Lizzy Borden, it was Iroc. I'll name all of them. Now Van will know who the fucking lawsuits are coming from: Lizzy Borden, Iroc, K.C. Carson, Alana..now I'm naming all the girls. I didn't want to name all the girls before. What do I give a fuck."
Black [reads]: ‘Every week or so Rob's girlfriend Lizzy Borden finds out about one of Rob's sexual escapades and throws a screaming fit.' "That is so completely and utterly false. What escapades??!! What fucking escapades!!?? I've been rumored to be linked to two girls: Tricia Devereaux and Lexus Locklear. Lexus Locklear got rid of me in over a weekend. That's the only two porno girls, ever. And when I was 19, Debi Diamond. There's my history."
Black [reads]: ‘Jon Blatt is regarded as a creep by sticking his nose into things?' Number one, he's supposed to stick his nose into things because he's the general manager. And that's apparently coming from somebody who WORKS for this COMPANY!! CAUSE I KNOW WHO THE PERSON IS WHO'S THE FUCKING RAT!! This person is DISGRUNTLED because Jon's not happy with the way they are performing. I know who the rat is because Jon Blatt tells me every day the people that are fucking losers at this fucking company. But I didn't want to FIRE people. I just wanted to realign things to do, but now I got to fire people."
Black addresses allegations about company money being siphoned off for high-flying junkets around the world.
Black: "GEE, I WONDER WHERE THAT COMES FROM? That's complete and utterly false. Yeah, we had to go to Brazil on a trip where we shot two movies. We went to ECW because we had to bring Jasmin there to get dropped on her fucking head. Those things are high-flying junkets? o. Complete and utter lie. Rob is funneling money to his father, Dominic, who's putting up large stock portfolios for Tom and Rob? Let me tell you something. I wish we had the money to funnel to my dad for fucking stock things. That's utterly false and I resent whoever fucking said that about my dad. What can I say? You're dealing with Van and Tiffany who don't got a pot to piss in. Tom Byron calls me his ‘friend and lover at the AVN awards?' So that means we're funneling money into stock portfolios. I wish we did. I'd tell you. That's not against the law. I would pay taxes on it, but I don't got no stock portfolios!!
Black [reads]: ‘I hear an outsider wants to purchase Van's videos. "Please, let me put it here. If an outsider wants to buy Van's videos, we will gladly sell it to them. We don't want to bid for them. We will sell the videos for them. Put on the website a FOR SALE sign right now on all Van Damage titles. If anyone wants to buy them, call us, and we will sell them because they're fucking shit, and we'll have to wind up giving people special deals on the product just to get them out of our warehouse because we can't even move the worthless pieces of shit. That's why Patrick Collins had to sell them for $2 less when he [Van] was at Elegant. When Van was over here, because of the strength of my name and Tommy's name, I made the people pay the $2 more. Now people don't want the product. So I got to practically give it away. Anyone who wants to buy it, God bless ‘em.
Black reads: ‘I hired a smart college kid to manage Extreme's wrestling connection, but Rob keeps doing deals behind the kid's back leaving Extreme's wrestling connection in shambles.' "Kevin's [Kleinrock] sitting next to me right now. I don't know like what's going on with this wrestling ‘con.' I think the only thing is that Kevin owns a wrestling company that we're going to try and fucking form here. I don't know what's doing anything behind anybody's back or whatever. That's completely false.
Black [reads]: ‘Rob Black loves to flaunt his wealth and rub it in the face of the porn Extreme employees.' "You've come to my house. You've come to Tommy's house. What do we flaunt? We don't have enough trash cans outside, and we have trash spilling over into our yard. So what wealth is flashed there? Please tell me. We have shit stains on our carpets from our fucking dogs. What wealth do we fucking flaunt? ["Tommy says don't reveal that much."] Everybody from this company's been to where we live. We drive Tommy's Mercedes. I don't even have a fucking car. I got a 1982 fucking red Mercedes that was from my dad's house in fucking Florida. That's what we have and an Escort that don't work. Tell me where I flaunt this huge wealth. I look like a fucking piece of shit when I walk around. Please.
Black [reads]: ‘I hired a fast-talking, chain-smoking telephone gabbing cable sales gal from the mainstream who tried to pull something over on me.' "That's true. She's out to get power of attorney to make deals for us. That's true."
Black [reads]: ‘Alerting Black to her shifty ways..the main cable that Extreme Associates has been dealing with is TeN.' "That's true...that's all true. That is completely true. The remark about Extreme's record keeping is one that you'd expect from a frathouse in shambles, is completely false. You can come down and check the records. Blatt's shaping things up. I didn't know Charley Crowe was a prima donna. I thought everybody likes him. He doesn't fucking bother nobody. The remarks about the movie Archer's Last Day and missing releases are completely and utterly false. I'll bring them over to you. That we forged model releases is completely fucking false. You can look at the goddamn signatures. Lies! Lies! Lies! Van Damage and Tiffany Mynx are NOT in the movie. Luke Ford can go fuck himself. Criminal charges loom against Black?: God bless him. Let them bring them against me. Van Damage is not a Navy SEAL. Tiffany Mynx will never get her children back. The courts will know the fucking conduct that goes around there. Criminal charges will be brought up against Van Damage by the four girls we have sexual harassment against them. And he will be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law. They can fucking try and come up with any dirty laundry they want because it's all bullshit. I welcome it."
